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Looking4TS
02-02-2007, 05:45 AM
Ok first is I have no idea if this is in the right place. I have a friend and we have been friends for about 14 years. She is married to a man she has been with for 16 years and I met her thru him. He is almost mid 30's and her in the late 30's. They have had 9 miscarriages and one died about two weeks after birth. After the death of their child they found she had a heart shaped uterus. They fixed that about 5 years ago. Since then she has not got pregnant. She went to a firtility doctor whom said about 3 years ago she had PCOS. She had been told that she may not get pregnant after the surgery to fix the uterus and this just added more to it. All she has ever wanted was a child. She longs for a child so much it is like an obsession and she cries and is depressed alot. She jokes that I should give her my younger son.

I talked to her about adoption. She stated she wanted to but her DH wants a blood tie. I told her about surrogacy and have shown her the sites I go to and told them they should really look at this. Well her DH has said yes. She stated to me today that she did not think it was fare for him to have a blood tie and her not to. I told them they could use a sperm donor. Her DH did not like that. I said look you both want a child and you both want ties. You should compremise (sp). They can not afford the GS option as they spent most the money and her credit cards on firtility on her. He said how is that a compremise. I told them they both want blood relation. A sperm donor would be a compremise. They would have a child and neither would have blood ties. I also stated that they could keep trying. But deep down the reality is she is not going to get pregnant. There RE has done all he can and they have spent so much on fertility drugs. He said that he did not see that as a compremise. He saw that as her getting her way since he wants a blood related child. I hear this all the time. I have a TS that is wonderful and we will be starting a journey hopefuly real soon. I feel bad I may have a child before her. But on one hand all they do is talk and fight about this. I have tried everything to get them to see that this along with adoption is an option. And the point is she will do adoption and he won't. He said surrogacy was the best way and she won't. Do any of you have any idea how else I can handle this? It has got to a point as to affect our relationship in the since she is missing the mother hood. I know we have been friends a long time and all but sometimes I wonder if we are always together due to my children and her longing for the mother role. She tryes to take over alot. They have light skin, very smart, financially set, she has brown hair, him redish blond hair. She had blond as a child. They want a light skin, blond hair blue eyes child. They have blue and green eyes. They would like a child to look like them. I suggested my DH for the sperm donor. He is smart, has blond hair, blue eyes and his kids are the same, except our son got my eyes, hazel. They love our son. When they are out with him people think he is theirs and they are like nope we are his aunt and uncle. But there is the thing of getting them to agree on something heck just anythng. It is messing up their relatonship and they have been together to long and love each other to much to let this be a reason they split up. I love them so much that they may be one of the only ones I would allow my DH to be a sperm donor for other than family. Our kids think they are their aunt and uncle. I do not know what else to do! Help!!!

WoundedWing
02-02-2007, 05:54 AM
Oh Gosh this is a toughie. Have you told her that this is really affecting your relationship with you, your friendship is strained...

Do they want a newborn baby or a possilbility of having older children? I think maybe they need to be well informed, compromise on both ends as in, they both go to a adoption siminar then they read/research traditional surrogacy.

Time for a talk.

Looking4TS
02-02-2007, 06:22 AM
I have talked to them about this affecting our relationship. I do hate to think of it this way but her DH said infront of her that there is a 50/50 chance I will loose her as a friend if we have a child before she has one. That hit hard and we left to go see out surrogate right after. We are at their house tonight and maybe thru the weekend. Like I said we are very close and we are family. I would hate it more for our children then us. They hve been in my childrens lives since birth. Her and I have a bond most don't. The child they lost was a boy and I was pregnant with a girl and we went into labor together and hers lived two weeks and mine was stillborn. We grieved together and still do sometimes and we have this to share with one another and know how the other felt. I tell her our children were ment to be together and are in heaven together waiting.

They want a newborn only. Her parents were in foster care and she was raised with several foster children. She is one they adopted and at birth. Her DH is the problem with that. He wants the child to have no problems and foster children have issues and he does not want to deal with those issues. He wants her to do surrogacy so bad. He told me today that as a child that was adopted and someone who knows blood does not make the relationship that she of all people should think better then this and do the surrogacy. They both do not get it. My DH and I talked about this on the way to our surros home. He said with how they are going at this they will not get anywhere. I am affraid this will keep them from havng a child they would love to have just due to the blood ties. They have also done research on adoption and surrogacy. I wish they had done the GS before spending all the money on the RE she has. All he has done is pump meds in her for the last three years straight. A friend of mine who did IVF said that is not good for her to have been on those meds like that for so long. I don't know. Maybe someone will see this and have an idea I have not thought of. It will be shallow to loose them if we have a child before they do because they care more about the blood tie then the fact they want and would love a child regardless.

nicolette
02-02-2007, 08:43 AM
i would suggest getting your friend to read the success ts stories,mine included,my im cat bonded with adem straight away,i dont think she gives 2 hoots whether that baby is blood or not,she adores him,i hope your friend joins us and we can help her see what a wonderful thing surrogacy is
love nicXX:D

chocolat
02-03-2007, 03:25 PM
I'm going to step out on a limb here since I do not know your friends at all...have they been to see a therapist? If this is something that is tearing their marriage apart, a couple's counselor could help them work through their individual feelings and come to a true compromise that each can live with comfortably.

__CYN__
02-03-2007, 06:23 PM
I'm going to JUMP out on a limb, and follow up by saying I know you love them, they're your friends, but it's not YOUR problem to fix. If they are not willing to do the work themselves, you can't do it for them. You've offered advice, guided them in the right direction and THEY are at a stand still with each other.
IMO, it's a HORRIBLE thing to say that we might not be friends with you if you get a baby before us! If they were really friends they should be happy for you, with all that you've been through as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it would be hard and they would be entitled to be sad, but to turn their back on you when you've been through just as much as them would not be a 'friendly act'.
I think one of the hardest things to learn is that you can't 'fix' people who aren't willing to 'fix' themselves.
Good luck to you and try not to let the friendship interfere with the joy you should be filling at beginning a journey to a child for yourself.

Citycheer
02-04-2007, 02:22 AM
I'm going to JUMP out on a limb, and follow up by saying I know you love them, they're your friends, but it's not YOUR problem to fix. If they are not willing to do the work themselves, you can't do it for them. You've offered advice, guided them in the right direction and THEY are at a stand still with each other.
IMO, it's a HORRIBLE thing to say that we might not be friends with you if you get a baby before us! If they were really friends they should be happy for you, with all that you've been through as well. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure it would be hard and they would be entitled to be sad, but to turn their back on you when you've been through just as much as them would not be a 'friendly act'.
I think one of the hardest things to learn is that you can't 'fix' people who aren't willing to 'fix' themselves.
Good luck to you and try not to let the friendship interfere with the joy you should be filling at beginning a journey to a child for yourself.



I couldn't agree more with Cyn and Chocolat.

It's hard but you can't fix them and if your choices for happiness makes them not continue your friendship than unfortunatly I'd have to say I'd question the level of friendship you have.

Life is precious and the chance at another baby is such a gift don't let anyone rain on your parade. Not to mention, she has every opportunity to find a TS just like you have. Perhaps, she'll hang in there and see your journey and have a change of heart. All us IM's are ready in our own time.

Looking4TS
02-04-2007, 07:46 AM
Thanks for the advice you all have given. We went out tonight and it was just us two. She did not talk about a baby to much or get upset. She said they still are not going to talk about a surrogate. I guess it is like this, if they do it then great. I told my DH I placed this ad to get others veiws. We have been friends a long time and been threw so much together. I know that if they are ment to have a child they will and it will come when and how god chooses. Now about their marriage. The only problem they have is about a baby and how to make this happen. They have seen their doctor about this issue. The doctor saw her reactions to his concerns and he said she was depressed and put her on some medication. The surrounding of this is the fact she has not got pregnant and that she has lost so many babies. We will go ahead and have our children if our plan with the surrogate goes good. I do hope that we won't loose our relationship over this. We talked about our options and went with it. Now they have to and I am taking the advice to let it go, stop trying to fix it. I am going to let them know that as much as I love them and want to help this issue needs to be closed if they are not willing to come to an agreement on how to make this happen.

Thanks so much and I have appreciated everyones advice.

terrortoys
02-05-2007, 12:29 AM
I wouls also say what about GS and they put some money away and start saving if that is what they want the blood ties to each of them.. It may take a few years, but they are still young.. I wish them the best.